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Postby Russ h » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:35 pm

Afternoon All,

Looking for some help if possible with a koi health worry.

I noticed some months ago that one of my koi was getting these black dots appear. I thought it might have just been part of its colour change or something. But gradually more and more have appeared.

Then today, I have noticed some of the others are getting these black spots as well.

There are no snails in the pond that I can see, however I do live right next door to a pigeon breeder.

Anyone have any idea what this could be and more importantly how would I go about treating it??

Huge thanks

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Postby fisherman » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:31 pm

Hi Russ
Do you live in a hard water area if so it could very well be shimmies can you put up a photo of the fish so that we can see what you mean
Approximately where about do you live as one of can take a look at the fish
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Postby Russ h » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:02 pm

Hi Pete,

Thank you kindly for your reply.

I believe I am indeed in a hard water area, though I have not done a good water change for a while as the water seems stable.

I live around the midlands area over in Tamworth.

I will try and get a picture ASAP.
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Postby tommy2ponds » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:11 pm

Hi I think Pete could be on the right track with shimmies what variety are the Koi getting these spots ? ?
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Postby Russ h » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:36 pm

Hi Guys,

Just took some picture of the one that first showed signed of this a few months back

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Postby tommy2ponds » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:41 pm

Shimmies very annoying but harmless to your Koi
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Postby Russ h » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:48 pm

So you definately think it's shimmies

I guess the questions are then

Can I get rid of it from my fish
How to I prevent it in the future (or at least lower the risk!)

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Postby fisherman » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:24 pm

Hi Russ
I am 99% sure that they are shimmies I would have to see the fish to be 100% sure

Yes they can be removed from them but a big but you would have to know what to do first

How to I prevent them is move house to a soft water area

Shimmies can also be genetic as well
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Postby tommy2ponds » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:29 pm

There are many opinions on shimmies hard water low grade Koi blood lines and genetics to mention a few.There is nothing you can do to stop it but having very soft water seems to help.
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Postby Russ h » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:30 pm

Im going to send in a claim for compensation to South Staffordshire water :) lol

Is they are way of softening the water??

Is this a case of slightly scrapping the scales, or is it alot more deeper than this?

Cheers for all your help guys, appreciate it

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Postby fisherman » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:44 pm

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Postby Russ h » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:52 pm

My test kit ran out last week and havent had chance to pick a new one up, so I nipped up to buy one and also took some water up to be tested there and then (spent 10 mins arguing with the guy cause he was adamant that hardness did not need to be tested for ponds!!)

Anyway, these are my results, I know i need to drop the nitrite a little, but is there anything else they that looks wrong and could be causing these shimmies?

Phosphate - 0.25
Ammonia - 0.25
Nitrite - 0.25
PH - 7.6
KH/GH Hardness - 89.5

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Postby doitsu chag » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:48 pm

russ its a shimmie its not life threatening just a tad unsightly . like you i live in a very hard water area and tbh over the yrs ive had the odd shimmie that has eventually gone. if its really bugging you that much then look into running an r o system to soften the water
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Postby Russ h » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:42 am

Hi doitsu chag,

I appreciate your comment, but this is not just the odd shimmie. One of my koi as around 15 shimmies now (in the space of a few months), a brand new koi has just come out in 2 (over the last 2 weeks), and another has broken out in about 8 or small shimmies. All I was trying to do is make sure there was no issues with my water that is causing this out break

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Postby mark6465 » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:12 pm

hi russ, at the moment i wouldnt worry about the shimmies and keep more an eye on your water parameters ammonia and nitrite although not drastic would still need sorting to 0 with the winter on us do a water change to start with as you haven't done one for while :idea: :idea: ;)
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Postby Russ h » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:25 pm

Thanks Mark,

I will crack on with a water change tomorrow. What percentage change do you recommend ready for winter? Should I add anything once complete to help, salt etc?

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Postby Kev2761 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:12 pm

Russ, you need to change ya water more often, and aim for zero on both tests.

Shimmies are part and parcel of the hobby, either move the fish on, or live with em, they are a pain, but would not reccomend removing from the koi, unless ya trying to show :roll:
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